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A closer look at the two Inner Space Marbanian armoured cars described here: [link]
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retfarcimak Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2015
These are cool, except the fact that I can't tell which one's which, lol. Not even on the linked version.
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wingsofwrath Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, in the other version they have numbers near them and numbers in the description.
Also, one of them, the MB-11, has the engine in the front and two wheel drive, while the MB-25 has the engine in the back and is 4X4.
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retfarcimak Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2015
Ah, couldn't see the numbers, sorry. ^^;
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wingsofwrath Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No worries! :D
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retfarcimak Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015
It's a cool concept. My only thought is, originally I thought the older one was actually the newer of the two, due to the closed turret. It seems... Unwise to leave the turret open to anyone who manages to sneak up behind the vehicle and get on top, like the M8 greyhound equivalent in heroes in generals which you can kill the gunner out of easily by climbing on top and shooting him.
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wingsofwrath Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, depends what you're trying to do with the vehicle - for close in fighting you do need a closed turret, but if your aim is to scout, an open topped turret is much better, because it allows you a far greater range of vision - you can always just peek over the top with a pair of binoculars.

Also, let's not forget that the machinegun will eliminate a good quantity of burned gases inside the turret, so you either install oversized vents to keep your crew breathing or you take away the roof of the turret.

Why do you think that, even now, the turrets on the HMMWVs and MRAPs are open topped?
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retfarcimak Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015
I just found it safer to use a close top. In H & G, even with the long range fighting of the M8, I was able to sneak up behind it and kill the gunner with little to no effort. Same with the german scout car (forgot what it's called) and the russian BA-64, which the last one has a less-long range DP-28 LMG.
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wingsofwrath Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
*facepalm*

You did not just compare reality to a video game...

I've never played H&G and I don't intend to, because I don't approve of their "pay to win" gaming model, but let me tell you, as somebody who has been in the army since 2006 and in the reserve since 2009, the most realistic computer game out there (and that would be the ARMA series, btw) does not even begin to reconstruct what it actually feels like to be in the field, so don't you dare paint yourself as an expert on the basis of "having played a video game".

On the other hand, I can also tell you I have also been doing reenactment and I've shot pretty much everything from a black powder muskets and up to machine-guns, including, yes, the Dp-28 and Mg42, so I am intimately acquainted with the subject matter.

The German scout car you forgot is most likely a SdKfz 222, and that's off the top of my head, without having to look it up. It's armed with a 2cm autocannon and a 7.92X57 Mg34 and in real life would also have an anti-grenade screen on the top of the turret.

Also, am I right in supposing that, in the game, there are only two people in the scout car, one driver and one gunner, and that all the hatches are open, including the anti-grenade screens? Care to guess why that is? Let me tell you - it's so players would have a chance to disable the car either by sniping the crew or by throwing a grenade inside, instead of dying pointlessly, getting frustrated and robbing the game company of their profits when they finally give up.

Well, in real life, there would have been three people in that car, because there's also a commander/radioman which keeps a constant 360 degree watch around the vehicle and informs the gunner what's going on. The hatches and anti-grenade screens would be down, so there would have been no sniping the driver or throwing a grenade inside and, unless he was a total idiot or really overconfident, the commander would have seen you approach long before you got anywhere near the vehicle and either told the gunner to take you out or shot you himself with his Mp38/40, that's assuming that the vehicle was alone and not followed by infantry as it is normal.

 Sure, you could still have taken some of the crew down if you were really really lucky, for example if you stumbled upon a single armoured car, alone in enemy territory, they stopped exactly in front of your hiding place and all of them were looking away, but do you know just how incredibly lucky you would have to be to take them all out, when all it takes is a fraction of a second for one to turn their head and spot you?
And if you manage to shoot one, do you think the others are just going to sit idly by and not drive away or turn the turret? Ler's suppose you made it to the vehicle unnoticed. Do you think you have the stamina to clamber on board when you're tired from carrying 20kg of equipment all day and winded from having run over to the vehicle? How about climbing quietly and aiming your gun when your heart is trying to burst out of your chest with exertion?

I'm not sure this is something you would be able to do in real life, so quit trying to tell me "it's easy" because "you've done it in a video game".

Let me give you a quick tip - stop trying to pose as an expert on things because you played a video game, because it merely makes you look incredibly stupid.
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agentspooky2011 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
I like these

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KnightofSpades Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012
These are so cool! It is so interesting to see old school vechicles like this.
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wingsofwrath Featured By Owner May 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, I try to make my designs both interesting and believable.
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kittyexplosion Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012
The guys in green might wish for an umbrella or at least a cover on the top of the car. These are very cool looking. Also do you have a cypher for their writing?
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wingsofwrath Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, they do have a tarpaulin stowed inside the car somewhere which they drape over the turret when it rains.
The rationale for an open top turret was decreased weight (which in turns yields better performance for the same engine power), better observation (this is a scout car after all) and better ventilation (the twin MGs poured quite a lot of acrid smoke inside the cabin of the earlier variant).

Their writing is an alphabet I devised based on the Glagolitic [link] , Coptic [link] and Georgian [link] writing systems. For ease of use it is mapped as a true type font to a normal 26 letter QWERTY keyboard, but it doesn't keep any of the sign/sound associations of any of the original scripts.

Also, whenever I'll need to write something, I think I'll just use my native Romanian with this script, because I'm not a linguist and it's pretty hard to create a language from scratch that will sound convincing enough.

Another thing - this drawing uses version 2.1 of the alphabet, but in the meantime I refined it a bit more and I'm now at version 3.2 and might do a 4th one shortly, because there are still some signs that don't look exactly "right" in my eyes.
When I settle on a final design I might publish the alphabet as an "extra" on my DA page, but that's still in the future.
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1Wyrmshadow1 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012
The round one looks similar to a Czech design I've seen from the 1930's.. while the green one looks like a Sdkfz 222 and a JS-3 had a baby.
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wingsofwrath Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Spot on!
Indeed the round one is my take on the Czech Skoda PA-2 "Zelva" (turtle) although shortened and with the weaponry in a rotating turret while the other one was inspired by the above mentioned vehicles...
The funny thing is that "in universe", it's completely plausible that the Marbanian designers saw pictures of those vehicles and then copied the design...
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Arianod Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Cool stuff, as always :meow:
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wingsofwrath Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah thank you, praise coming from you certainly does a lot to stroke my ego! :D
Also, right now I'm also working on similar drawings of light and heavy tanks from both side of the conflict, so stay tooned, they'll be around shortly!
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Arianod Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yay! :meow:
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